Numaric miracles in the Quran!

[Haitham Hamdan]

The phenomenon of the "Numeric Miracles in the Quran”. Where people crunch numbers related to the Quran and come up with something miraculous. Which to them proves that the Quran is the truth.

In this chart, the X axis represents the order of Suras in the Quran. The Y axis represents the number of verses in each Sura. The outcome includes the words: Allah and Muhammad in Arabic.

- The Salaf did not busy themselves with something like this.

- The guidance in the Quran is meant through contemplating its content.

What do you think of this?

[Abu Maryam Alsalafi]

Bismillah
Praise be to Allah and His Blessings upon the Prophet
Assalamoalaikum
I replied the following to a friend a couple of years back:

About the "mathematical miracles of quraan" I talked to Sheikh Al Munajjid after
prayers. He replied that:

"This is a Bid’ah. This was not narrated at all from the Salaf. He said that the particular “math
miracle”
About the number 19 is a Bihai (a sect in Iran) Bid’ah. When I said that some people use it for
calling non Muslims to Islam, he maintained that why do you want to make a miracle when there is none?
(This is what to the best of my understanding of
he meant.)
I also called a couple more of sheikhs. This is what they replied:
1) Sheikh Muhammad Saleh Al-Rashid:
Did not attend the phone.
2) Sheikh Khalid Usman Al-Sabt: The Salaf (pios predecessors) did not use this, so it is better
not to use it.
3) Sheikh Al-Hatlan: "The Salaf never ever used it,this is a new thing. He said that if it is
absolutely certain that the knowledge is correct, then there is no harm. However the tafseer of the similitude of
Jesus and Adam(alaihimassalam), is what the Salaf have mentioned, not this new one; both were created
without fathers." I also asked him that some people say that the proportion of the word water and earth is 1:3
i.e. the proportion of these two in the world. He said "this is something new, not mentioned by the Salaf,
since the knowledge itself is new.

5) I asked a Salafi brother , who regularly listens to various sheikhs. He said that some
sheikhs stop from this, since the knowledge in most cases is shaky. He said that some time back a few brothers
convinced some kuffar about Islam using these "miracles”, but then the knowledge proved to be
shaky afterwards (scientists I guess did the most convenient thing as always: about face).

My conclusion is that I like Sheikh Al Munajjid’s view most. This is because if you ponder over the
definition of the word Bid'ah in the eyes of the Salaf
“A new thing (in religion) which the Prophet alaihi salam did not do, while there was a need to do so
and he had the means to do it.”
Now if there existed this miracle, then the Prophet alaihi salam had the
means to convey this knowledge and there was the need to do it too. Secondly, another point came to mind
today: how do these people count the word ‘Eesa for example. Allah says “the similitude of ‘Eesa…”? Do they
then count the word Masih (4:172), Messenger (3:53) or just the word “son of Maryam” (23:50) also and
similarly the pronoun “he (3:48), you (5:116)” when it refers to him (alaihi salam). The same applies to Adam alahi
salam. So the claim becomes highly specious.
I think it is better to call Muslims to Islam in the regular way.

[Thaabit]

could this not be used the way scientific miracles are? i.e. as a supplement to our primary da'wah of tawheed, nubuwwah and al-akhirah? For Muslims to over-emphasize such matters like scientific and numerical miracles and overlook the fact that the Qur'an is first and foremost guidance is certainly wrong and deviation. But perhaps these scientific and numerical points are also lesser aspects of the miraculous nature of the Qur'an?

Allah knows best.

[Ayman bin khaled]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

It seems people ( mainly Muslims), unfortunately, started to give so much importance to such field as in what is known as : miracles of the Quran i..e mathematics, scientific and etc..).

People need to understand that Quran is not a science book!!! it is a holy book that contains the words of Allah that we must apply on our lives and not to look into them to find innovations and inventions!!! it happens that in so many cases, such claims to be nothing but fabrications or illusions that people imagine!!! which results with fatal destruction as they start proving that look it is in the Quran then later on it appears that that so called scientific fact to be falsely claimed so they end up putting themselves in such embarrassment!!!

I believe, many started to be too busy to convince others that Quran is a miracle of Allah by taking the wrong approach which, always, leads to fatal mistakes.

Quran is the book of Allah and such scientific facts do not prove that Quran is book of Allah. on the contrary, the Quran is the one that prove whether science to be correct or wrong ( smile)

anyway, the above diagram is funny to eb honest and i have n idea how people come up with such things. I remember that i was advised long time ago that some groups who are anti-Islam they fabricate such lies ands spread it as look Quran or Islam proves it then after a while they say oh such theory or fact is proven to be wrong. so they use our emotions about Islam as a way to defame us while we are not aware of. Thus, it is very important to request an authentic reference for everything and check such reference; we are the Ummah of the Sanad after all, are not we? ( wink)

we must let our answer about anything related to such matter as it follows: if Quran says it is true then it is and if Quran says it is not then it is not even if i see it in my own eyes. ( smile)

wallahu A'lam

[Skillganon]

I concur with brother Ayman. Well said.

Their also lot of people hunting for such miracles in the Quran and they would do whatever it takes.

[Haitham Hamdan]

Here is another one ...

Positions of prayer compose the words: Allah and Muhammad

[Ayman bin khaled]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Huh???

I think people have too much time in their hands!!!

Yet, to be frank, I think people tend to believe such weird things due to their lack of knowledge about their religion therefore to clinch to such wishful vain imagination and myths that even a new born child won't believe !!!

Wallahu al musta'aan

[Um Abdullah M.]

The Quran is a book of GUIDANCE not GAMES !

If people spent as much time as this nonsense to contimplate on meaning of ayat in Quran, they wouldn't have even thought of such useless stuff.

what a waste of time.

[drkashif]

assalamualaikum
may be ur shaikhs called it bidah coz rashad khalifa founder of submitters and munkire hadeeth also came up with mathemetical miracles earlier he use to work with shaikh ahmed deedat but during his research he found to ayats donot qualify his mathematical criteria for which he said those 2 ayats were added by shaitann nauzubillah not only this he went to an extent saying he is a messenger.
may be this is the reason our shaikhs stop us for searching miracles and more over quran in itself a great miracle
correct me if am wrong

[Ayman bin khaled]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

و عليكم السلام و رحمة الله و بركاته

My beloved dear brother Drkashif,

We acknolwedge the facts that have been stated in Quran and Science discovered and proved recently. However, the issue is that nowadays this took another trend as it follows:

1. majority started to anticipate the Quran as a science book so that whoever comes up with their own weird conclusions!!!

2. It started to appear amongst laypeople to use science as a standard to measure Quran upon. In some cases laypeople come to you arguing that look how come in Quran it says this while science says otherwise!!!

3. majority started to neglect the Quran and do not esatblish the purpose for which it was revealed; to recite and apply on our lives.

Scholars do not disapprove scientific dicoveries which have been stated in Quran 1400 years ago. They only disapprove the attempts of people to take Quran as a book of science and the aboev examples which shaikh haitham used shows how low people get!!

Wallahu A'lam

I say: Quran proves what science dicovers and not the other way around.

[drkashif]

jazakallah for replying brother i too agree with u that we dont need science to believe in quran .
as we are muslims we must have complete faith/imaan in it.

[IslamicReplies]

Originally Posted by drkashif

assalamualaikum
may be ur shaikhs called it bidah coz rashad khalifa founder of submitters and munkire hadeeth also came up with mathemetical miracles earlier he use to work with shaikh ahmed deedat but during his research he found to ayats donot qualify his mathematical criteria for which he said those 2 ayats were added by shaitann nauzubillah not only this he went to an extent saying he is a messenger.

Dr. Bilal Philips wrote a comprehensive refutation to Khalifah's 19 hoax here.