Women are unfaithful because of Eve

[baqi9]

As salaamu alaikum

Does this hadith have any explanations?

Muslim
Book 008, Number 3471:
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Had it not been for Eve, woman would have never acted unfaithfully towards her husband.

[Ruwayda Mustafah]

Wa 'alaikum assalam,

I read this: http://answering-islam.com/bassam_za...n_in_islam.htm ... Does it help?

[baqi9]

As salaamu alaikum

Not really, I heard the qadar explanation (the argument of aadam and musa) before. But after reading this hadith again this morning, I don't recall any explanations coming from the salaf (the sahaabah) that clearly explain what an nabi was meaning.

[Abd al-Muhsin]

AsSalaamu alaykum,

Me too ! Even I did get what the Hadith Means!! Nor did I get what Brother Bassam wrote in the article linked above!!!

AsSalaamu alaykum.

[Ayman bin khaled]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته

This hadeeth should be understood based on the Arabic language and not the English translation. Therefore, the meaning of the hadeeth goes beyond its appearent wording besides the fact that the translation is incorrect.


To understand the hadeeth, lets see the story of Adam and Hawaa about the tree first.

Sh. Al-Nawawi (رحمه الله) says commenting on this hadeeth: " when the shaytaan decorated the tree in the eyes of Hawa, she went and told Adam about the tree. Then later on, when the shaytaan decorated the tree for Adam and swore by Allah that he is honest and sincere in his advice, they both ate from it."

The meaning of the hadeeth as sais by Sh. Al-Nawawi: "It means that Hawaa is the mother of the daughters of Adam, therefore her daughters inherited from their mother some of her traits."

Alhafith bin Hajar said: "The meaning of the "Khyaana of Hawa" is that she accepted what Ablees decorated in here eyes until she was convinced with then she started decorating what she thought to be good in his eyes......The Khayanaa here does not refer to unfaithful acts, chaeting or betraying but actually since the nafs ogf Hawa liked eating from the tree therefore she complimented that act to decorate it in his eyes, that was considered a Khyanaa.

This is what we actually see today, when wives or sisters like to do something then they start beautify it in your eyes to get it for them or to convince you with it.

Actaully, how many brother wanted to marry and when he wanted to have his wedding the wife insisted on having music or mixed wedding or whatever wrong cultural practices given all excuses and arguing it is the night she always dreamt of and etc etc... (smile)

In addition, this hadeeth is actually addressing men rather women. It is to teach men to be patient with their wives and excuse their mistakes when they are unintentional and rare to happen as mistakes happen and it did happen to their mother; hawaa. Furthermore, it shows women that they need to observe themselves and control themselves in moments when they feel drawn into somthing.

Wallahu A'lam

[baqi9]

As salaamu alaikum

Jazakallahu khyrin!!!! ahki Ayman...That is exactly what I was looking for masha Allah. This translation I can across and your explanation really makes me feel worse about myself and those of us wanting to learn the language of our deen (arabic)...but stand in front of a planet sized mountain (getting passed alif baa taa, and single words on to sentences). May Allah Ta'ala make it easy.

[Ruwayda Mustafah]

In addition, this hadeeth is actually addressing men rather women. It is to teach men to be patient with their wives and excuse their mistakes when they are unintentional and rare to happen as mistakes happen and it did happen to their mother; hawaa. Furthermore, it shows women that they need to observe themselves and control themselves in moments when they feel drawn into somthing.

1. That applies to both men and women (men are also attracted to certain things and should control themselves). I don't see how you link this interpretation to what the text says.

2. Does the above interpretation not teach that certain characteristics are innate within women i.e. they are prone to make mistakes therefore they can't be held accountable for such mistakes because this is how they naturally are?

3. What does the Arabic text say if it's an error in translation?

In addition, this hadeeth is actually addressing men rather women.

That doesn't change anything about what the hadith says about women.

[AboBakr]

Originally Posted by Ruwayda Mustafah

1. That applies to both men and women (men are also attracted to certain things and should control themselves). I don't see how you link this interpretation to what the text says.

2. Does the above interpretation not teach that certain characteristics are innate within women i.e. they are prone to make mistakes therefore they can't be held accountable for such mistakes because this is how they naturally are?

3. What does the Arabic text say if it's an error in translation?

That doesn't change anything about what the hadith says about women.

Well done , my sister ,

I am with you , indeed ,

so I read the explanation of that hadith and wanted to avoid paradox here ,

Sheikh AlSoyoty " in the explanation of that " says:

'Hawaa' was the reason that leaded 'Adam' to eat from the tree he was banned ... that's obedience to ' Eblees' and that's like perfidy or unfaithful towards him , this descent could incline by the accident, to her daughters !
' Sharh Moslem Hadith No. 1470 )



I said: " Adam, peace be upon him was who the guilty, Eve was just a reason and the Qur'an talked about the sin not the deception! in the Aya :
"فَأَكَلا مِنْها فَبَدَتْ لَهُما سَوْآتُهُما وَ طَفِقا يَخْصِفانِ عَلَيْهِما مِنْ وَرَقِ الْجَنَّةِ وَ عَصى آدَمُ رَبَّهُ فَغَوى "

In the result, they both ate of the tree, and so their nakedness appeared to them: they began to sew together, for their covering, leaves from the Garden: thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and fell into sin.( TAHA - 121 )

and the reason was Eve. However, the origin was ' shaytan' because of the insinuation and temptation! for the 2 ( not only Eve , Not only Adam ... )

Even though that happened as an accident, blame was introduced for whom ?!!!

for Adam !

so the point is Adam , who was charged with that directly , not the causative
so that once he may slip once Eve can slip , but the guilty, himself, is the responsible for his work, his situation...
and vise versa ... !

wa Allah a'lam .....

[AboBakr]

Forgot to say .. I am so sorry if I did not translate well, but I tried to tell my opinion ....

[Ayman bin khaled]

Originally Posted by AboBakr

Well done , my sister ,

I am with you , indeed ,

Agree with her on what exactly?

What you have said is exactly what we mentioned in previous posts!! And what she says differ and oppose what we have said! (although she is actually inquiring and not making statments as some might misunderstand).

General Advice:

This is religion where personal opinions have no weight and must not be said unless it is backed up.

[Ayman bin khaled]

Originally Posted by Ruwayda Mustafah

1. That applies to both men and women (men are also attracted to certain things and should control themselves). I don't see how you link this interpretation to what the text says.

I cannot see what point you want to present here because we said that this hadeeth addresses men and women alike. Furthermore, the hadeeth does not talk about men are attarcted to certain things therefore they should control themselves!! This is mentioned in other hadeeths and the fact we have not mentioned this point doe snot mean it does not exist! Yet, we only address what is presented.

Arabic is needed to understand the context and what is between the lines. Arabic as a langauge and not as know how to read and write! That is how this linkage exist between what was said and the hadeeth. Needless to add, this is Fiqh of hadeeth that Allah blessed some of His slaves with the ability to conclude it!

2. Does the above interpretation not teach that certain characteristics are innate within women i.e. they are prone to make mistakes therefore they can't be held accountable for such mistakes because this is how they naturally are?

The fact that one has innate characteristics does not excuse him in the scale of reward and punishment. However, the hadeeth was addressing wordly characteristics that is directly involved in the relationship between men and women. That said, you know, may Allah reward you, that having innate of genetic characteristics is something and submitting to it is something else because we are commanded to oppose our whims and desires. Did not you see that human innate nature makes him like sins! Yet, religion guide us to control ourselves.

3. What does the Arabic text say if it's an error in translation?

Which Arabic text you are referring to?

That doesn't change anything about what the hadith says about women.

What does the Hadeeth say is what has been said above and know for sure that it has no negativity neither to women nor men. It only states nature of women and how men should react to it. In other words, obviously the Prophet did not say that Hawaa our mother is bad!! right? smile

Barak Allahu feekum

[AboBakr]

Originally Posted by Ayman bin khaled

. Did not you see that human innate nature makes him like sins! Yet, religion guide us to control ourselves.


Barak Allahu feekum

WHAT ?

did not you see that Allah said, the meaning " So set thou thy face truly to the religion being upright; the nature in which Allah has made mankind: no change) there is (in the work) wrought (by Allah: that is the true Religion: but most among mankind know not. "

THAT 'S ABOUT THE NATURE , THE BEHAVIOURS innately RIGHT ?

and here may be a rule that's not only one like sins !!! one have been inspired as to ONE'S wrong and ONE'S right !!!

the proof is what Allah said

' وَ نَفْسٍ وَ ما سَوَّاها (7)
By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it 7 (
فَأَلْهَمَها فُجُورَها وَ تَقْواها (8)
And its inspiration as to its wrong and its right; - -) 8

that cannot say human likes sins !!
nor
human like goodness !!

human had the two

However, innate natures can be changed to many direction, see ...

you like who said

MAN IS HAPPY !! MAN IS SAD !! MAN IS SOME WORRIED !!

WHAT'S ALL THAT ?!!!!!!!

Actually , He have the ' everything'

No need here to put something above or before , we talk about Aadam and Hawaa ...

Wa feekum Barak Allahu ...

[Ayman bin khaled]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

My beloved brother,

I must admit that my time is tight and hardly have enough time to read or even reply. therefore, I avoid writing detailed answers. However, I do beleive, with all my due respect, if one accept that he is a layperson then that would save him the hassle of collecting sins without realizing so and save others time as well. This applies on myself by the way and I am indeed less than everyone else alhamdullah.

You should know, May allah forgive you, that from your posts I could tell that you are speaking with no knowledge. The way you structure your argumnet, your reasoning, your proofs and etc. By Allah, I would have loved to see you seeking answers instead of issuing statements on behalf of religion that is based on your own reasoning as I do not wish you to sin without knowing so and a Mou'min loves for his brother what he loves for himself.

It is not my problem if you do not know the Quran or what ayaat actually means and that you do not know the ayaa in which Allah says that He created us on loving and following our desires and Dunya. Furthermore, it is not my problem that you cannot distinguish between human nature and Fitra either!! Needless to add, he Ayaat you quoted have nothing to do with what we talk about by the way!! It talks about something that is completly different i.e. it talks about Tasyeer and Takhyeer ( i.e. free will)

Side Note: Please soften your words and abstain from using capital words as words are alreday dry enough to suck out softness from it. smile

Barak Allahu feekum

Originally Posted by AboBakr

WHAT ?

did not you see that Allah said, the meaning " So set thou thy face truly to the religion being upright; the nature in which Allah has made mankind: no change) there is (in the work) wrought (by Allah: that is the true Religion: but most among mankind know not. "

THAT 'S ABOUT THE NATURE , THE BEHAVIOURS innately RIGHT ?

and here may be a rule that's not only one like sins !!! one have been inspired as to ONE'S wrong and ONE'S right !!!

the proof is what Allah said

' وَ نَفْسٍ وَ ما سَوَّاها (7)
By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it 7 (
فَأَلْهَمَها فُجُورَها وَ تَقْواها (8)
And its inspiration as to its wrong and its right; - -) 8

that cannot say human likes sins !!
nor
human like goodness !!

human had the two

However, innate natures can be changed to many direction, see ...

you like who said

MAN IS HAPPY !! MAN IS SAD !! MAN IS SOME WORRIED !!

WHAT'S ALL THAT ?!!!!!!!

Actually , He have the ' everything'

No need here to put something above or before , we talk about Aadam and Hawaa ...

Wa feekum Barak Allahu ...