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Old 11-11-2010, 01:37 AM
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Assalamalaikum,

What does the word innama restricts in the verse 33:33, is it Allah's only desire for the ahlebayt, and he didnt desire any thing for them..

Or it is to be understood that, its the desire of Allah only , no one else...
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Old 11-11-2010, 08:04 PM
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قال الزجاج : قيل يراد به نساء النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم بعدإنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيتوقيل : يراد به نساؤه وأهله الذين هم أهل بيته على ما يأتي بيانه
Bismilah ...Wasalamo alikom
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Alqurtobi narrated that Azajaj said Innam could be restricted to alrasouls wives or his wives and his relatives who are considered from Ahkul bayt
And Allah all knowing {N.B, It does not mean Only Ali and Fatemma RA }
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:11 AM
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Assalamalaikum, akhee innama is used in two types, 1 is as restricter , 2 as just/only (i.e it doesn't really negate everything else. If I say "it's just a hat", it means to not exaggerate it's status beyond a hat. Similarly when quran says prophet(Saw) is only(innama) a Messenger or only a warner, it is used so that we must not exaggerate his status beyond that.)

So did any scholars understood innama in 33:33 in this sense.
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Old 11-21-2010, 02:59 AM
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as just/only (i.e it doesn't really negate everything else. If I say "it's just a hat", it means to not exaggerate it's status beyond a hat. Similarly when quran says prophet(Saw) is only(innama) a Messenger
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All the tafseers dealing with this verse in the same way inshaallh
It is for the wives of the prophet saw and his family and the rest of the Muslims can follow as narrated by Ibn Katheir
It is not used as just.Ennama is divided to
!- inna and
2- ma which here means Alladhi
So the verse can mean
What Allah does want is to cleanse you {You includes everyone }
The restiction in Arabic can happen bu using different methods such as
Using Ma and illa
WA ma Muhammadu illa min Rasoulin qad khalat min qabilihi alroussol
This is a real restriction osloup and much more stronger in Balagh and much used in Quran .
And Allah all knowing
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Old 11-21-2010, 03:28 AM
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brother, if the commands in 33:33 (i.e to stay in houses etc) were for wives of prophet(Saw), then how come the wish of Allah is for everyone, it should be specific to wives only.. what do you think?

And isnt innama in this verse a strong restrictor..? like some people claim.
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Old 11-21-2010, 11:53 AM
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Salaam Alaikum brothers,

INNAMA is a restrictor and it restricts the desire of Allah to "Removal of Rijs" from ahl Albayt.

So, the question is: Does Allah not wish removal of Rijs from other people outside of Ahl Alayt? and the answer is Allah desires removal of Rijs from all. Why?

1- The restriction is for "Removal of Rijs". The Ahl Albayt are the ones who Allah is adddressing. This does not necessarily mean that Allah is also restricting His desire only to them while everyone else is out. To understand it that way you need more evidence of restriction to the specific people being addressed.

2- Certainly, the understanding of other Ayat of the Qur'an indicate that Allah wants the same thing for other human beings, indeed all humanity.

3- The general rule is that if the special group is addressed then this is also applicable to the bigger group. So unless there is something that makes the bigger group not intended, the address to the special group is applicable to the bigger group. There is nothing in this sentence to exclude others from being included in this issue.

Then one may ask a question: Why address the special group if all are intended? The answer is to indicate to the special group the added emphasis and responsibility that falls upon them as well as the added reward without necessarily excluding the wider group from being covered by this same issue.

I hope this helps and take care brother.

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Old 11-21-2010, 09:52 PM
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Bismillah..Wasalamo alikom
وما إذا وُصِلت بالفعل وكانت مصدراً فهي للحال أَبداً نحو قولك: ما تقومُ

حسَنٌ أَي قيامُك الذي أَنت عليه حسن، فيَبْعُد تشبيهُ واحدةٍ
As You can see if ma or innam is followed by verb it acts as Alladhi so innama yurido Allahu could well mean Alladhi yuriduhu Allahu It is not just a desire but it is also a reason.And Allah All knowing.
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:19 AM
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Assalamalaikum akhee ahmed..

can you plz explain me that how come the word innama is restricting things mentioned in this verse:

إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةَ وَالدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ الْخِنْـزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ بِهِ لِغَيْرِ اللّهِ

He has only forbidden you what dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that over which any other (name) than (that of) Allah has been invoked;(2:173)

because we know that only these things are not haram, but even meat of animals with canine teeth, etc are haram according to ahadees.
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Old 12-23-2010, 05:58 AM
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bumped for brother ahmed frihy
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Old 12-23-2010, 11:03 PM
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إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةَ وَالدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ بِهِ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ غَيْرَ بَاغٍ وَلَا عَادٍ فَلَا إِثْمَ عَلَيْهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ
الأولى : قوله تعالى : { إنما حرم عليكم الميتة } إنما كلمة موضوعة للحصر تتضمن النفي والإثبات فتثبت ما تناوله الخطاب وتنفي ما عداه وقد حصرت ها هنا التحريم لا سيما وقد جاءت عقيب التحليل في قوله تعالى : { يا أيها الذين آمنوا كلوا من طيبات ما رزقناكم } فأفادت الإباحة على الإطلاق ثم عقبها بذكر المحرم بكلمة إنما الحاصرة فاقتضى ذلك الإيعاب للقسمين فلا محرم يخرج عن هذه الآية وهي مدنية وأكدها
Dear bros Salafee Mainstream Muslim
Asalamo alikom
I just read your article today
According to Alqortobi inamma could have two uses
1-For general restriction showing the haram foods in general beccause the preceeding ayat saying that Allah made all the foods halal for us
2-ويجوز أن تجعلها بمعنى الذي منفصلة في الخط وترفع { الميتة والدم ولحم الخنزير } على خبر إن وهي قراءة ابن ابي عبلة وفي حرم ضمير يعود على الذي ونظيره قوله تعالى : { إنما صنعوا كيد ساحر
In this case inamma means ina alladhi
As I mentioned before that innama could mean both restiction or Alladhi , however if you say innama means alladhi then one should read the word Almaytatu instead of almaytara because if you use innama as allathi then almaytatu is naeb fael { actting as a subject } and if you use it as a restricter then you say almaytata beccause it is an [ Object ]
The other prohipited foods is mentioned in different surat , that is why I said earlier that this ayah is for general tahreem
And Allah All knowing
Wasalamo alikom
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Old 12-24-2010, 02:36 AM
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he other prohipited foods is mentioned in different surat
which surah akhee...

jazkallah khairan
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Old 12-24-2010, 06:09 AM
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حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالْدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللّهِ بِهِ وَالْمُنْخَنِقَةُ وَالْمَوْقُوذَةُ وَالْمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَالنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَا أَكَلَ السَّبُعُ إِلاَّ مَا ذَكَّيْتُمْ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى النُّصُبِ وَأَن تَسْتَقْسِمُواْ بِالأَزْلاَمِ ذَلِكُمْ فِسْقٌ الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِينًا فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِي مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ لِّإِثْمٍ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ 3يَسْأَلُونَكَ مَاذَا أُحِلَّ لَهُمْ قُلْ أُحِلَّ لَكُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتُ وَمَا عَلَّمْتُم مِّنَ الْجَوَارِحِ مُكَلِّبِينَ تُعَلِّمُونَهُنَّ مِمَّا عَلَّمَكُمُ اللّهُ فَكُلُواْ مِمَّا أَمْسَكْنَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَاذْكُرُواْ اسْمَ اللّهِ عَلَيْهِ وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ إِنَّ اللّهَ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ 4الْيَوْمَ أُحِلَّ لَكُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتُ وَطَعَامُ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حِلٌّ لَّكُمْ وَطَعَامُكُمْ حِلُّ لَّهُمْ وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ إِذَا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ مُحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحِينَ وَلاَ مُتَّخِذِي أَخْدَانٍ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِالإِيمَانِ فَقَدْ حَبِطَ عَمَلُهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ 5



Dear bros Salafee Mainstream Muslim in surat Almaedah { table 2-4}
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