Methods of spreading Islam

[Abdulmajid]

As-salamu alaykum

I want to know what do you think about this:

I/ Some critics claim that the Quran teach to give alms as gifts to convert non-muslims (by perfidy so...):

The alms are only for the poor and the needy, and those who collect them, and those whose hearts are to be reconciled (to Islam). (Qur'an 9:60, Pickthall)

and They say Ibn Kathîr:

"Ibn Kathir says:

There are those who are given alms to embrace Islam. For instance, the Prophet of Allah gave something to Safwan bin Umayyah ... (Ibn Kathir, vol. 4, p. 455)

... Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) gave one hundred camels to Safwan b. Umayya. He again gave him one hundred camels, and then again gave him one hundred camels. Sa'id b. Musayyib said that Safwan told him: (By Allah) Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) gave me what he gave me (and my state of mind at that time was) that he was the most detested person amongst people in my eyes. But he continued giving to me until now he is the dearest of people to me. (Muslim: book 30, number 5730, Siddiqui)"

So according to the scholars what his the exact meaning of this âyah ?

And also, some people affirm that Prophet Muhammad (pbhu) use compulsion to spread Islam in contradiction with some quranic's verses (like 2:256notably)


"He (Muhammad) said: "Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn't it time that you recognize that I am God's apostle?" He answered, "As to that I still have some doubt." I (Abbas) said to him, "Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of God before you lose your head," so he did so. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 547)

Abu Bakr said: "You asked me for the best advice that I could give you, and I will tell you. God sent Muhammad with this religion and he strove for it until men accepted it voluntary or by force." (Ibn Ishaq, pp. 668-669)

... When Jarir reached Yemen, there was a man who used to foretell and give good omens by casting arrows of divination. Someone said to him. "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck." So the man broke those arrows and testified that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah. (Bukhari: volume 5, book 59, number 643, Khan) "

What do you think about those assertions ?

Salaam brothers

[Qatadah]

asalaamu alaikum wr wb


about the gifts issue - then thats just to soften their heart to Islam i think.. not to bribe them into islam.



maybe the other narration is discussed here?

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...Misconceptions


not sure.. but it is useful.

[Haitham Hamdan]

Waalykum Assalam warahmatullah.
Brother Abdulmajid,
What exactly it the problem with what have quoted?

[Abdulmajid]

as-salamu alaykum brother Haitham Hamdan

In fact, some critics of Islam says that verse 9:60 teach to offer gifts and money to non-muslims to seduce and convert them, hypocritically (as christian's missionnaries act in some muslim's countries like Algeria or Tchad with their dollars profiting of the poverty). I'm wondering if it is really the meaning of the verse......

And also, I quote three narrations of "The Life of Muhammad. A translation of Ishaq's "Sirat Rasul Allah", by alfred Guillaume which, IN MY VIEW, seem contredict the fact "there is no compulsion in religion" (Quran, 2:252). So, I inquire about them....

Sorry if I make some faults because I'm not english-speaking, I'm a french muslim. I'm trying to answer to some critics against Islam.

The allegation that I quote is taken from : ###deleted thread###
Salaam

ps: Thank you brother Qatada, I know this very good website but I haven't found the answer of my question regarding quranic 'âyah and the quotes from the Sirâ, on it.

[Qatadah]

asalaamu alaikum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh


akhi, i would just argue that the ahadith which mention Rasulullah sal Allahu alaihi wasalam giving wealth to people from Quraysh - was to show to them that he really is a Prophet and that he's not doing this dawah for money and wealth.

This money and wealth is infact a sign of his Prophethood, and it refutes the claims of even present day non muslims that he was doing it for the dunya, since if he was trying to decieve people by giving them wealth - then what benefit would it be to him? Wouldn't it be of more benefit to him if he kept the wealth?


Try to use that argument against them insha Allah. Since many other facts about his life show that he never did it for dunya, and the hadith simply shows the permissibility of giving wealth to people to soften their heart to Islam.



I'm really sorry but i don't know the responses to the other narrations..

[Abdulmajid]

wa alaikum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

ok. Shukran

[Qatadah]

Originally Posted by Haitham Hamdan

Waalykum Assalam warahmatullah.
Brother Abdulmajid,
What exactly it the problem with what have quoted?

asalaamu alaikum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh


shaikh, he's asking how we can respond to someone who uses these to say that it contradicts with 'there is no compulsion in religion' [2:256]

"He (Muhammad) said: "Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn't it time that you recognize that I am God's apostle?" He answered, "As to that I still have some doubt." I (Abbas) said to him, "Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of God before you lose your head," so he did so. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 547)

Abu Bakr said: "You asked me for the best advice that I could give you, and I will tell you. God sent Muhammad with this religion and he strove for it until men accepted it voluntary or by force." (Ibn Ishaq, pp. 668-669)

... When Jarir reached Yemen, there was a man who used to foretell and give good omens by casting arrows of divination. Someone said to him. "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck." So the man broke those arrows and testified that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah. (Bukhari: volume 5, book 59, number 643, Khan) "

how do we respond to them..

[Ayman bin khaled]

بسنم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Subhan Allah, I wrote a reply to each question twice alreday then my computer crash at the end and I lose allw hat I wrote!!! It is long reply almost 2 pages!!

I will see if I can have time later on and rewrite it again!!

Subhan Allah, it must be because of my sins!!

Astaghfir Allah.

[Qatadah]

Originally Posted by AbdulMajid

"He (Muhammad) said: "Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn't it time that you recognize that I am God's apostle?" He answered, "As to that I still have some doubt." I (Abbas) said to him, "Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of God before you lose your head," so he did so. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 547)

Abu Bakr said: "You asked me for the best advice that I could give you, and I will tell you. God sent Muhammad with this religion and he strove for it until men accepted it voluntary or by force." (Ibn Ishaq, pp. 668-669)

... When Jarir reached Yemen, there was a man who used to foretell and give good omens by casting arrows of divination. Someone said to him. "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck." So the man broke those arrows and testified that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah. (Bukhari: volume 5, book 59, number 643, Khan) "

What do you think about those assertions ?

asalaam alaikum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh

In the case of abu sufyan, he was the leader of the Quraysh who led many expeditions against the Muslims, so he would be executed (like what happened to many enemy prisoners in badr) for any criminal who committed war crimes [since Makkah now became a Muslim land in the fath al makkah].

That's why he would be killed, but by becoming Muslim his past sins left him.


The same might be the case with Jarir. wa Allahu a'lam.



I read this in Man and the Prophet by Adil Salahi on the chapter on the conquest/fath al makkah.

[Qatadah]

asalaam alaikum wr wb


might be useful insha Allah;

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=62

[Qatadah]

asalaam alaikum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh


i want to make some corrections sorry;

"He (Muhammad) said: "Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn't it time that you recognize that I am God's apostle?" He answered, "As to that I still have some doubt." I (Abbas) said to him, "Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of God before you lose your head," so he did so. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 547)

The Muslims came in the fath of makkah [opening of makkah] because the quraysh broke the treaty of al hudaiybiyah which implied that they and their allies shouldn't fight each other - but the Quraysh did (by supporting the Bakr [Quraysh's allies] against the Khuza'ah [Muslims allies].)

Since fath al makkah never had still occured [the muslims still encamped outside Makkah, they were still in a state of war. So when Abu Sufyan came out to see which army had settled outside Makkah, he found out it was the Muslims. Since they never had no peace treaty now, he could be killed - since they were in a state of war against each other. Furthermore due to his continuous warfare against the Muslims [with him being the commander of Quraysh in the battles of Uhud, Ahzab, and many more.]

So his death would be justified, and he only wasn't killed because he became Muslim (so his past errors were forgiven.) If they did kill him, it wouldn't be because he rejected Islam, but because of his war crimes and him still being in a state of war with the Muslims. [the war ended when the Muslims opened Makkah, not before this.]

[Qatadah]

Originally Posted by Abdulmajid

Abu Bakr said: "You asked me for the best advice that I could give you, and I will tell you. God sent Muhammad with this religion and he strove for it until men accepted it voluntary or by force." (Ibn Ishaq, pp. 668-669)

The Hadeeth you mentioned is weak, as Imam al-Haithami said in, Majma` az-Zawa-id (5/186). One of the narrators, Esa Ibn Sulaiman, is weak, while Esa Ibn Atiyyah, another narrator, is unknown. Even if the Hadeeth is held as authentic, it is not what the enemies of Islam wish it means. All what the Hadeeth says is that some people became Muslim on their own, meaning they did not fight against Islam and Muslims before accepting Islam. Some others, meanwhile, became Muslim after they were defeated in battle. Thus, they accepted Islam ‘Kurhan’. It is well-known that Mu`awiyah Ibn Abi Sufyan, may Allah be pleased with him and with his father, accepted Islam willingly. Yet, another unsubstantiated Hadeeth claims that Sa`d Ibn Qais said to Mu’awiyah that he and his father became Muslim ‘Kurhan’; [Siyaru A`lami an-Nubalaa, by adh-Dhahabi]. This word, ‘Kurhan’, does not mean by force, but it pertains to ‘dislike; hatred; discomfort’. Obviously, one can dislike Islam but still become Muslim for different reasons, such as seeking financial compensation or to be hypocrite, or for simply knowing Islam is the truth and wishing to practice it so that they may love it later on. There is another meaning found in another Hadeeth collected by al-Haithami in, Majma az-Zawa-id (9/77), which states that Abdullah Ibn Abbas said to Umar Ibn al-Khattab, “The Messenger of Allah died while he was pleased with you. You then supported the Caliph after him, following the way of Allah’s Messenger. You then used those who came willingly against those who turned away, until people entered Islam willingly or Kurhan.” Obviously, this Hadeeth, which is Hasan, is in reference to fighting reverts from Islam during Abu Bakr’s Khilafah. Proof: Ibn Abbas said next, “Then, the Caliph (Abu Bakr) died while he was pleased with you.” It is well-known historically that Abu Bakr’s Khilafah was almost entirely spent fighting reverts from Islam (al-Murtaddun). These are people who entered Islam outwardly but their hearts did not enter Islam completely. When the Prophet of Allah, peace be upon him, died, they reverted from Islam thus committing a major crime for which they were fought and forced to reenter Islam or be killed for committing the crime of reversion from Islam.

Dear Brothers: always challenge those who claim that Islam supports forced mass-conversion to it to bring real evidence to one incident in which the Prophet of Allah, salla allahu alaihi wa-sallam, or the Four Khulafaa forced any nation or tribe to become Muslim under threat of death. ‘Kurhan’ does not only pertain to physical force, it also applies to dislike and discomfort. If ‘Kurhan’ only means being forced under threat of physical pain or death, then what meaning would that give to Allah’s Statement, {We commanded man to be kind to his parents, his mother carried him Kurhan and gave birth to him Kurhan}.

As-salamu alaikum warahmatullah
Jalal Abualrub


http://www.islamlife.com/forum/viewt...&thread_id=370

[Qatadah]

... When Jarir reached Yemen, there was a man who used to foretell and give good omens by casting arrows of divination. Someone said to him. "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck." So the man broke those arrows and testified that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah. (Bukhari: volume 5, book 59, number 643, Khan) "

In Islam, aren't magicians/witches or fortune tellers killed? Except if they become Muslim and repent from their sins, so their past is forgiven.


It's also funny how they don't quote the full ahadith most of the time.

[Qatadah]

asalaam alaikum wr wb


Furthermore, if we see the hadith - we come to realise that Jarir (radhiAllahu anhu) actually warned this fortune teller once not to carry on with his evil or he would be killed - then he was left alone, but again he continued - thats why the 2nd time he was actually going to be killed, unless he repented [by becoming Muslim].

So the man was warned against this evil practise, since magicians and witches also face the death penalty in Islam. The hadith also shows that he never got killed straightaway. But when he continued, then he had to repent or face the death penalty. Because we know soothsayers do spoil peoples lives, like magicians and witches do.



Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 643:

Narrated Qais:
Jarir said "Allah's Apostle said to me, "Won't you relieve me from Dhul-Khalasa?" I replied, "Yes, (I will relieve you)." So I proceeded along with one-hundred and fifty cavalry from Ahmas tribe who were skillful in riding horses. I used not to sit firm over horses, so I informed the Prophet of that, and he stroke my chest with his hand till I saw the marks of his hand over my chest and he said, O Allah! Make him firm and one who guides others and is guided (on the right path).' Since then I have never fallen from a horse. Dhul-l--Khulasa was a house in Yemen belonging to the tribe of Khatham and Bajaila, and in it there were idols which were worshipped, and it was called Al-Ka'ba." Jarir went there, burnt it with fire and dismantled it. When Jarir reached Yemen, there was a man who used to foretell and give good omens by casting arrows of divination. Someone said to him. "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck." So the man broke those arrows and testified that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah. Then Jarir sent a man called Abu Artata from the tribe of Ahmas to the Prophet to convey the good news (of destroying Dhu-l-Khalasa). So when the messenger reached the Prophet, he said, "O Allah's Apostle! By Him Who sent you with the Truth, I did not leave it till it was like a scabby camel." Then the Prophet blessed the horses of Ahmas and their men five times.